SuperFuzz · Oct 25, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Does anyone know, or does anyone have any thoughts on why the black dye is so dam*ed expensive?

xerverkillah · Oct 25, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25

cos it looks cool. anything that looks cool must cost alot like 15k armor

derrtyboy69 · Oct 25, 2006, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Rare, in demand.

Tachyon · Oct 25, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

Yeah, I do! It's down to supply and demand. Although I'd like to know why you think damned is a swear word and blanked a character out!

Kook~NBK~ · Oct 25, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

It's expensive because it's a rare drop and lots of people want it. Maybe if it wasn't dammed up, there'd be more of it for everyone.

Whiplashr · Oct 25, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Isn't the price indicative, somewhat, of the fact that there are tons of people with very little imagination? I mean, there are so many cool colors you can make with combos, etc.. yet the majority wanna run around in all black like they are Neo or part of the Trenchcoat Mafia or something.

Eviance · Oct 25, 2006, 04:34 AM // 04:34

sometimes black looks best for a certain outfit, but I don't typically like having all my chars dyed black (its a waste of money and of prettiness). However its kinda like the weapons that collectors have that are just as good as the gold or greens, but they don't "look" the same or rather they aren't expensive so they aren't worth having. It's a glamor show of money or something >_<

Shadowfox1125 · Oct 25, 2006, 05:04 AM // 05:04

It was like 12k two days ago and now it's back to 10k.

Shonmi Woolyhead · Oct 25, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

heh, some dye traders have been hoarding black dye, since they expect a price spike after nightfall comes out friday.

Tark Alkerk · Oct 25, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37

well it went as high as 15k after the dragon festival because just about everyone wanted it for there helm.
the price is been falling slowly since.

ramma77 · Oct 25, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

i was there when it was 35k and when it was sold out O.O

i made a new char around that time and ascolon was full of people offering 50g for black dyes. i took great delight in spamming how much they were really worth.

Honor · Oct 25, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

figure in over 700 hours of play over 6 chars I have had it drop 4 times and seen it drop for others less than that. I kept it for guaranted cash, until I got my necro 15k armor then dyed it a nice shade of dried blood. black worked much better with the combo than any other color

Burton2000 · Oct 25, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

I remember when it was only 4k. Nice and cheap back then, unlike now...

Malice Black · Oct 25, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

Rare, in demand.

Bingo!

It's the rarest dye drop, not many people sell to the merchant as you can get a better price selling to a real person...merchant has a small supply so the cost is high if everyone sold their blacks to merchant then merchant would have a high supply and cost would be low-ish.

Black dye is a luxury item (or noob item, depending on your opinion) its not needed so why complain?

SuperFuzz · Oct 26, 2006, 07:19 AM // 07:19

I'm not oblivious to the supply and demand issue, my point is why did the game programmers chose to make black so rare and the other colors common? I don't see any more characters running around in game in black than I do the other colors, yet it's price is outrageous. Seems to me that they have programmed in a lesser volume of black in the game, causing the higher demand.

As for being bandwagon black, that's not the case. I don't know if anyone in here played Fable The Lost Chapters, but the dark plate armor looked awesome, and I was trying to re-create that in Guild Wars, but I need black to do it. Not going to happen at this price though!!!

Kiros37100 · Oct 26, 2006, 07:40 AM // 07:40

- A high demand isn't caused by a low supply
- The reason you don't see more people with armor dyed black is not because people don't want black but because of... The low supply!

You said it yourself, you think black looks awesome. You're hardly alone in that, black is in high demand because a lot of people want it. Might also be why they made the drops rare, the economy would be boring as hell if everything was priced the same.

*Looks at his stocked up dye, awaiting nightfall*

Paloma Song · Oct 26, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiros37100

- A high demand isn't caused by a low supply

High demand can certainly be caused by low supply, especially with status goods, although it is also not the *only* cause. The worst mistake an economist can make is to assume that humans act rationally when it comes to the market. They don't. As previously stated, people can often be caused to want things for no other reason than they are scarce and wanted by other people, because there is a non-monetary value in owning such things, useless though they might be. Many people buy black dye for the same reason they buy 15k armor, not because they need it, or it helps them win the game, but rather because they want others to see that they have the wealth for such rare items, they give them 'status' to some degree.

Arwen Granger · Oct 26, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

People are just hoarding black dyes. remember seeing someone selling 7 stacks of black dyes in an auction?

Akhilleus · Oct 26, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

its called supply&demand.
end of discussion.

Greygon · Oct 26, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Since the new Black Dye won't stack with the old ones it is going to make people re-evaluate.

I would guess that the White Dye will be the hot thing for a while (depending on how rare a drop it is)

I have already heard of people selling White for 45-60k

Oct 25, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20	#1
SuperFuzz Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Idaho Profession: W/Mo	WTH is with the pricing on black dye? Does anyone know, or does anyone have any thoughts on why the black dye is so dam*ed expensive?

Oct 25, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24	#9
Shonmi Woolyhead Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: W/R	expecting a price spike after friday heh, some dye traders have been hoarding black dye, since they expect a price spike after nightfall comes out friday.

Oct 25, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25	#2
xerverkillah Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: foo.bar Guild: Ladies Rhythm and Movement Club [MOVE] Profession: R/	cos it looks cool. anything that looks cool must cost alot like 15k armor

Oct 25, 2006, 02:28 AM // 02:28	#3
derrtyboy69 Grotto Attendant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Clouds Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS] Profession: Mo/Me	Rare, in demand.

Oct 25, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29	#4
Tachyon Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stoke, England Guild: The Godless [GOD] Profession: W/	Yeah, I do! It's down to supply and demand. Although I'd like to know why you think damned is a swear word and blanked a character out!

Oct 25, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43	#5
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	It's expensive because it's a rare drop and lots of people want it. Maybe if it wasn't dammed up, there'd be more of it for everyone.

Oct 25, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48	#6
Whiplashr Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006	Isn't the price indicative, somewhat, of the fact that there are tons of people with very little imagination? I mean, there are so many cool colors you can make with combos, etc.. yet the majority wanna run around in all black like they are Neo or part of the Trenchcoat Mafia or something.

Oct 25, 2006, 04:34 AM // 04:34	#7
Eviance Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eh I forget... o_O Guild: Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/	sometimes black looks best for a certain outfit, but I don't typically like having all my chars dyed black (its a waste of money and of prettiness). However its kinda like the weapons that collectors have that are just as good as the gold or greens, but they don't "look" the same or rather they aren't expensive so they aren't worth having. It's a glamor show of money or something >_<

Oct 25, 2006, 05:04 AM // 05:04	#8
Shadowfox1125 Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: PST Profession: W/	It was like 12k two days ago and now it's back to 10k.

Oct 25, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37	#10
Tark Alkerk Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In a Black Hole Guild: less Profession: E/	well it went as high as 15k after the dragon festival because just about everyone wanted it for there helm. the price is been falling slowly since.

Oct 25, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06	#11
ramma77 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South Shields, England Guild: The Psycho Titans Profession: R/	i was there when it was 35k and when it was sold out O.O i made a new char around that time and ascolon was full of people offering 50g for black dyes. i took great delight in spamming how much they were really worth.

Oct 25, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19	#12
Honor Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Exit 9 NJ Trnpk Guild: The Roaming Gnomes[roam] Profession: N/Me	figure in over 700 hours of play over 6 chars I have had it drop 4 times and seen it drop for others less than that. I kept it for guaranted cash, until I got my necro 15k armor then dyed it a nice shade of dried blood. black worked much better with the combo than any other color

Oct 25, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30	#13
Burton2000 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: A cardboard box in England Guild: Men Of Substance [YMCA] Profession: Mo/Me	I remember when it was only 4k. Nice and cheap back then, unlike now...

Oct 26, 2006, 07:19 AM // 07:19	#15
SuperFuzz Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Idaho Profession: W/Mo	I'm not oblivious to the supply and demand issue, my point is why did the game programmers chose to make black so rare and the other colors common? I don't see any more characters running around in game in black than I do the other colors, yet it's price is outrageous. Seems to me that they have programmed in a lesser volume of black in the game, causing the higher demand. As for being bandwagon black, that's not the case. I don't know if anyone in here played Fable The Lost Chapters, but the dark plate armor looked awesome, and I was trying to re-create that in Guild Wars, but I need black to do it. Not going to happen at this price though!!!

Oct 26, 2006, 07:40 AM // 07:40	#16
Kiros37100 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2006	- A high demand isn't caused by a low supply - The reason you don't see more people with armor dyed black is not because people don't want black but because of... The low supply! You said it yourself, you think black looks awesome. You're hardly alone in that, black is in high demand because a lot of people want it. Might also be why they made the drops rare, the economy would be boring as hell if everything was priced the same. Looks at his stocked up dye, awaiting nightfall

Oct 26, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48	#18
Arwen Granger Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Profession: Mo/Me	People are just hoarding black dyes. remember seeing someone selling 7 stacks of black dyes in an auction?

Oct 26, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51	#19
Akhilleus Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'. Guild: Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark] Profession: W/Mo	its called supply&demand. end of discussion.

Oct 26, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54	#20
Greygon Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Arkansas Guild: Knights of the Republic (KOTR) Profession: W/R	Since the new Black Dye won't stack with the old ones it is going to make people re-evaluate. I would guess that the White Dye will be the hot thing for a while (depending on how rare a drop it is) I have already heard of people selling White for 45-60k